More Short Takes

by Rant on June 1, 2008 · 23 comments

in Alberto Contador, Doping in Sports, Floyd Landis

Much going on in the world of cycling over the weekend, along with a couple of interesting articles in today’s New York Times.

Them’s The Brakes/Breaks

Floyd Landis competed in this weekend’s Mohican 100, the second stop of the eight race National Ultra Endurance race series. Well, he competed in about the first 10 percent of the race, anyway. Landis was beset with problems before and during the race. On the way, his bike fell off the car transporting it to the race, leaving it unrideable. Somehow, he managed to borrow a white Gary Fisher dual suspension bike and show up at the start. About 10 miles into the race, he crashed out, suffering a smashed helmet and bruised ribs. Bike racing is a humbling sport, my coach used to say back in the day. Some days you’re flying, and some days things go horribly wrong. The next stop in the series is in two week’s time, at the Lumberjack 100 near Traverse City, Michigan. (Note: TBV has pictures and info here and here. I haven’t seen any articles yet in other places about how Landis fared on Saturday.)

Even With One Week’s Notice, Astana Pulls Out The Win

One question I’ll try to ask Johan Bruyneel when he makes an appearance in Milwaukee on the 19th will be, “With such short notice, and no training focused on the Giro d’Italia, how is it Alberto Contador was able to pull out the win?” In case you haven’t heard, Contador finished the Giro today, winning his second Grand Tour in a row. Granted, the circumstances under which “baby Contador” (as racejunkie call him) won the first Tour are, shall we say, controversial. This win, however, was not tainted by a Rasmussen-esque episode, where the almost certain winner was booted from the race less than a week before it finished.

CyclingNews.com already has an article profiling Contador and his victory. From their article:

Comparisons were immediately drawn to his Tour de France win, a win that really put the name “Contador” in the media’s eye. He rated the Tour de France harder given the training that he had put into it beforehand.

“Because the Tour had many months of preparation – I gave it all – here it’s been the opposite – without preparation, just day to day.” However, he pointed out that the 2008 Giro d’Italia was indeed difficult. “The result was not less difficult – both have been very difficult. The only thing that in this Giro I arrived more tired. I couldn’t give more – I don’t know why, if it was my allergies or my lack of preparation.”

As cycling fans are already aware, Team Astana is not on the list of teams being allowed to compete in events organized by the Amaury Sports Organization, owners of (among other races) the Tour de France. While the reason for the exclusion is most likely related to previous incarnations of the team, Contador is pretty sanguine in his feelings about not being able to defend his 2007 Tour de France title. As CyclingNews.com also notes:

Team Astana, due to problems related to the previous incarnation of the team, was not invited to race the 2008 Tour de France. The decision left Contador, who followed Team Manager Johan Bruyneel from Discovery Channel to Astana over the winter, unable defend his maillot jaune.

“It’s a decision that I don’t agree with, but I respect. The team is totally different; the team didn’t have time to prepare for the Giro yet was able to gain the victory. They have made their decision… we’ll just forget about the Tour this year.”

One has to wonder: Given Team Astana’s performance up to now, will there be any pressure on the ASO to find a way of including them in the 2008 Tour? Or will they stick to their decision to exclude them from ASO events. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Meanwhile, I’m making a list of possible questions to ask at Bruyneel’s appearance.

Not The Usual Topic, But …

There’s an interesting editorial by Clark Hoyt, The New York Times’ “public editor,” discussing a recent Op-Ed piece. The subject matter of the original piece has nothing to do with cycling (instead, it has to do with politics and religion), but in the article, Hoyt raises an important question about opinion pieces that can also be extended to other parts of a newspaper. You’ll get a sense for it from the article’s headline: Entitled to Their Opinions, Yes. But Their Facts?

In the article, Hoyt observes that we’re all entitled to our own opinions. But he asks the question, what is the responsibility of the Op-Ed page to check the “facts” presented in support of a writer’s opinion. Here’s what he says:

The Times Op-Ed page, quite properly, is home to a lot of provocative opinions. But all are supposed to be grounded on the bedrock of fact. Op-Ed writers are entitled to emphasize facts that support their arguments and minimize others that don’t. But they are not entitled to get the facts wrong or to so mangle them that they present a false picture.

Did Luttwak cross the line from fair argument to falsehood? Did Times editors fail to adequately check his facts before publishing his article? Did The Times owe readers a contrasting point of view?

At this point, I should tell you the author of the original piece that Hoyt discusses was writing about Barack Obama and how Islamic law might apply to Obama’s choice of religious beliefs. Hoyt continues:

I interviewed five Islamic scholars, at five American universities, recommended by a variety of sources as experts in the field. All of them said that Luttwak’s interpretation of Islamic law was wrong.

David Shipley, the editor of the Op-Ed page, said Luttwak’s article was vetted by editors who consulted the Koran, associated text, newspaper articles and authoritative histories of Islam. No scholars of Islam were consulted because “we do not customarily call experts to invite them to weigh in on the work of our contributors,” he said.

That’s a pity in this case, because it might have sparked a discussion about whether Luttwak’s categorical language was misleading, at best.

I’ll leave the rest of the article for you to read. Hoyt’s conclusion speaks volumes.

When writers purport to educate readers about complex matters, and they are arguably wrong, I think The Times cannot label it opinion and let it go at that.

Perhaps this should be taken a step further, and applied to articles in the features sections and news sections of the paper, too. Many news and features articles seek to take complex subjects and distill them into easily understood stories for the paper’s readers. While each writer/reporter has to determine what the important parts of a story are, they need to be cognizant of the fact that people will for opinions based on what they write. So, they should strive for as complete and balanced a story as possible — space permitting.

In today’s Times they also published a section called Play, which covers sports and recreation. Among the articles is Who Has The Horse Tranquilizers? by Juliet Macur about doping vis-a-vis the upcoming Olympics. While she gets part of two items in her article correct, she left out some important information. First, about testosterone testing, she speaks about a study done at the Karolinska Institute, saying:

Then there are certain male athletes who may be able to take testosterone and not worry about testing positive: a recent doping study showed that two-thirds of Asian men and 10 percent of Caucasians are missing a gene function that converts testosterone into a form that dissolves in urine. These athletes could use the steroid and still test clean.

While it does answer the subheading for this particular section (How they might get away with it), it leaves out the other half of the story. There are also athletes who may, through bad luck in the genetic lottery, test positive without having used testosterone. Worse, they will be branded cheaters without having ever been cheating. These folks most definitely won’t be among those who  “get away with it.”

And, the athletes who might “get away with it” may well not know that they have the genetic variation that allows them to do so. (Of course, if you’re a male competitor of Asian descent, the odds on that sound pretty good.) That doesn’t mean people won’t try to beat the system, but I rather doubt that anyone’s used gene doping to beat this kind of rap — yet.

And that leads to the other thing she misses the mark on.

WHAT THEY’LL TRY NEXT

By the 2012 Olympics, drug testers will likely have a new problem on their hands: some athletes will have moved beyond drugs. They will be gene doping, or altering themselves genetically. “This is infinitely more complicated,” Wadler says. By transferring synthetic genes into human cells, athletes could stimulate muscle growth, increase metabolism or boost endurance. Those transferred genes would blend seamlessly into the athlete’s DNA. Some experts say that the future is already here, and that athletes are probably gene doping for Beijing. “This is very much on our radar screen,” Wadler says. So far, the only sure way to detect gene doping is by taking a biopsy of the affected muscle tissue — not a practical solution. Which is just the kind of test that cheaters love.

No doubt, out there somewhere is a scientist or pseudo-scientist trying to devise a way of gene doping athletes. Certainly, there are treatments in various stages of design and development that could be used in ways not originally intended (like genetic treatments for muscle-wasting diseases). What she’s left out is one very important point: So far, there is no safe, reliable way to perform these genetic modifications. As recently as last year, a gene therapy study had to be halted after a participant died following the treatment.

Genetic doping right now is like playing Russian roulette. You can spin the barrel (or in this case, stick yourself with the needle), but will it be safe, or will it lead to your demise? Right now, it’s very risky. Sure, there are people who are willing to take such risks, but the rewards are far from certain, either.

Gene therapy has promising potential, mostly unrealized potential. Gene doping will be more of a concern when gene therapy techniques are much safer and proven to be effective. At that point, it will be much more feasible, and more likely to be done. Could there be people out there attempting gene doping? Sure, absolutely. Is it nigh on impossible to catch them right now? Probably. Is the doping effective? Not so clear. Is it a good idea to be trying to find tests to catch such cheating right now? You bet. But at this point, gene doping is more a theoretical possibility than an established fact.

One thing to note: In articles dating back ten years or more, you can find the usual suspects claiming that gene doping will be arriving at the next Olympics. Someday, no doubt, that will be true. Will it be here this year? Color me skeptical. Will it be here in 2012? Well, technology does advance very quickly at times. But I have my doubts that gene therapy will be quite that far along four years hence.

Juliet Macur’s story falls down on both points. Which is a shame, because Times’ readers (and the readers of all news media) deserve better.

Morgan Hunter June 2, 2008 at 1:31 am

Rant,

Well – the venom , bile and jingoistic nationalism flowed freely on Eurosport German edition yesterday, during that TT in the Giro, as it has for every stage from the Prologue!

It did not sit well with the announcers that “Klödie” was out – that the best German rider to “place” in the Giro was lost somewhere in the middle of the pack and finally the most hilarious part was when they were turning inside out on trying to “remember that Team High Road now is not called T-Mobile anymore.”

Which leaves one wondering – Is Team High Road still a German team or is it not? Or does this “fact” actually matter in the world of pro cycling?

Maybe it only matters to “Joscha and Ulie – his partner?” Or the organization they work for?

Are we all so backwards that the only thing we are “seeing” during a race is that someone is from Uganda, Tasmania or the Hebrides?

Me – I watch the guy or gal putting themselves on the line and doing their best to be the first in their field, what has their nationality to do with anything? Except to reinforce the illusion that “nationality” somehow enables some riders more then others? Could this be considered a form of “doping?” Inquiring minds want to know.

Baby-CONTADOR and ASTANA wins the Giro de Italia – amazing – and as it was more then frequently “noted” on German Eurosport broadcasting the race –

“Sure – Contador spent the weeks before the Giro, hanging out on the beach, yet he still wins..?”

And what is going on with ASTANA – “the whole team is winning, EVEN THOUGH they are not prepared for the Giro..?” It could not be possible that Astana and Contador has been racing and “winning” everything – that they have been entered in…nope – that is not “proper” preparation for the Giro…no sir.

Innuendo once again raises its ugly head in the “media” – one can only assume that due to lack of journalistic ability – “announcers” may freely “imply” whatever “favorite biases” they may hold – without fear of being held accountable?

Maybe, you are right Rant – “a stern public” reprimand is adequate punishment for such “journo” behavior…

Personally – I would like to see some such people “yanked” from their “means of livelihood – like some athletes are being “yanked” from theirs.

Maybe – then – there just may come that small moment when emphaty and ethical consciousness forces the “journo” to ask himself – “What will my words do to this guy or gal?” Since we all seem to be accepting that “depriving the means of livelihood” of an individual is a fair price in the pursuit of particular agendas.

And more then anything – I wish for at Christmas – to know what the results of all that “minimal testing” being done on the pros has resulted?

It would also be nice to know who is responsible for the “interpretation” of the results of those testings?

Perhaps I’m just “old fashioned” and need to know that such results are arrived at without bias or political agendas.

Or are we going to treat this whole circus like always – and accept that “whatever” we are being told is the TRUTH – because THEY say it is?

It is now June 2nd – sometime – soon, one can only hope – CAS will make its proclamation as to Floyd Landis…given the “state of the world” – who will actually feel a sense of “resolution” with whatever the proclamation will state?

I suppose we are expected to accept – like older people sometimes have to – live with open sores because they just can’t afford to get the right medicine to heal it. Or are we too distracted by “future” threats of cheating to actually deal with what is the reality today?

Inquiring minds would like to know….

William Schart June 2, 2008 at 6:47 am

Undoubtedly many will cite the Giro results as validation of the opinion that Astana and Brunyel run a doping program. Maybe, but results in and of themselves are not proof.

Jean C June 2, 2008 at 7:38 am

Giro was cleaner than precedent years… Contador, Leipheimer were weaker than on last TDF,…

Between 2 top riders the margin is thin, less than 1%. So it’s difficult for the most talented rider to win a GT without a small preparation.

With Contador there is at least 2 possibilities:
– he was more prepared than said
– or he has used extern assistance to be so performant.

And of course we can mix the 2 possibilities.

Many people have stated that Astana were aware of a GIRO invitation at least a month before. Not enough to be at top but enough to reach 95% of the form.

Astana’s statement prior of Giro were not the best as we can see.

DFrey June 2, 2008 at 9:06 am

I almost didn’t bother. There are always a few people who go beyond healthy scepticism to a permanent state of living, 24-7, on the Paranoya Border. You know, the glass is not just half empty, it’s only a quarter full and draining fast kinda persons. These Permanent Paranoids are more annoying than the chipper Pollyannas who can never see anything wrong. PP’s can’t let any victory, any athlete, any heroic act, go by without spouting enough spite to spoil it for the rest of us. Astana, almost not asked by Giro officials til a week before(and no, this was not a plot concocted with Johan Bruyneel), still did well in the Giro because they are highly trained athletes a little off their game because of a week or two of slacking. And no doubt “slacking” for them is not the same as it is for us. Contador, we surely have no doubt, was thoroughly tested at every available opportunity by those same suspicious officials who almost didn’t invite him. What more can you want? Is there no way for an athlete to prove honesty? Must he always be “guilty just not caught yet”? Aren’t there ever any “innocent til proven otherwise” people in your negative lives? Please, no rants about how its all the fault of those doping athletes that made you into the Permanent Paranoid you are today.

ludwig June 2, 2008 at 10:03 am

Morgan,

I agree with you that the German Eurosport commentators obsession with German riders is embarrassing at best (its funny to note that Kloeden has actually renounced connection to Germany). From my memory they are truly awful…it doesn’t sound like things have improved.

However it isn’t any better here in the states–the Versus Tour coverage is obsessed with the half-dozen Americans. And yes, High Road is registered as an American team.

As for the Giro, I doubt it’s any cleaner than years past. It’s basically the same group of riders who are dominating, with some younger riders understandably coming to prominence. Given Bruyneel and Contador’s history, suspicion is inevitable, but there is no evidence he is more deserving of suspicion than anyone else in the Top 10. I’d await the outcome of brewing scandals and test results before making proclamations re. cleanliness or whatever.

In any case, it was as an entertaining race.

Jean,

My theory is Contador was preparing for a May peak all along–if Astana wasn’t riding the Giro he would ride Catalunya to win. I don’t buy the idea that he came to Italy without adequate preparation–sure he’s good but not that good.

Joe June 2, 2008 at 11:38 am

While I have skepticism for the results in the Giro, note that most riders had at least one bad day. Contador was not invincible-he hung on for dear life and didn’t win a stage. And he’s been destroying everyone this year. I believe he’s clean in this race, but from hard experience will not bet the farm on it.

Joe Lindsey (not me) makes a convincing argument for skepticism regarding Sella that is worth reading.

http://boulderreport.bicycling.com/

However, I will continue to watch pro cycling, at least until the next ASO/UCI idiocy.

Rant June 2, 2008 at 8:21 pm

Morgan,
Funny, isn’t it, how those in the broadcast booth can take on a nationalistic tone. I don’t know if a “stern public reprimand” is sufficient punishment for journalistic misbehavior, but at least someone at the Times was willing to address the failings of that particular Op-Ed piece head on. All too often, they just shrug off the criticism and ignore the lessons to be learned. I don’t know if Mr. Shipley and his associates learned anything from the debacle (other than not to have that particular person write an Op-Ed piece). I hope they did, but time will tell.
William,
Agreed.
Jean and Ludwig,
I suspect that Bruyneel’s pre-Giro commentary was part of the mental game/strategy. Lower expectations and then come out battling for the overall victory. If you fail, you gave it a valiant effort but were hampered by lack of preparation. If you succeed … well, most likely they were preparing as if they would race, in the hopes of a last minute invite (as happened). I agree, however good Contador and the team may be, they weren’t that good that they could have done so well without adequate preparation.
Joe,
Thanks for the link. I’ll see what Joe Lindsey’s latest piece has to offer.
DFrey,
Agreed, these guys are all highly trained athletes. Someone is paying them to ride/race. That being the case, it behooves them to be prepared. Even if it seems pretty certain that they might not get to race the really big races, they need to be in top shape for whatever races they do. Slacking for a racer like Contador is like a hard day of riding for many of us average racers (especially those of my age, whose best days on their bikes are receding quickly in the rearview mirror of life).

Thomas A. Fine June 2, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Hi Rant,

The thing I’ve noticed about news for a long long time is that once misinformation gets out, it’s pretty much there to stay. We both commented on the Times reporting on the testosterone issue recently, and that they left out half the story. Well now and forever more when this is reported, we can safely predict that the same half the story will always be left out.

Partly, it’s laziness, and momentum. But there’s an element of convenience here too – the part of the story they are reporting is the more saleable part. A story about cheaters getting off seems to be juicier to most people than a story about innocent people getting caught. The news industry doesn’t report the news – they use the news to sell soap.

On to the TdF. Suppose, if by some miracle, Floyd gets off in some way that convincingly demonstrates his innocence. We’ve all thought about how great that would be for Floyd. But what else would it mean?

The ASO would inevitably go into full-on blind denial mode. They have no choice, given all that they’ve done in a post-Floyd world. All of their battles in the name of doping started with the “affront” of Floyd. That’s when the really declared war on the doping foreigners. If Floyd is innocent, then they’re exposed as the bitchy little children that I already believe they are. Everything that happened would no longer be Floyd’s fault, but their own fault. I think that would make the TdF look very small indeed. Already, the way people perceive the Tour is changing due to all the politics. In the wake of Floyd’s innocence, the TdF might be seriously weakened.

But that wouldn’t be Floyd’s fault of course.

More generally, if Floyd were found innocent, do we get to go back and review all the things that were claimed to be Floyd’s fault? Sponsorship problems and TV contracts in Europe and America were blamed on him, and many other things too. Who’s fault would all of these things be?

tom

Jean C June 3, 2008 at 2:16 am

Tom,

Stop dreaming.

Since the begining of Landis’case, day after day, the odds that Floyd had doped increased. Everyone involved in sport has understood that. A lot of people are thinking it’s easy to avoid to beat the test and to dope.

Even if there is a fault in the procedures, most of people are very convinced that Floyd doped.

As you said, newspaper are writing half of the story… and it’s in favor of Floyd sometimes. I have on this blog published a part of that half story.

Rant,

JB’s statements were a useless strategy. None DS would have believe in it. I explain it : if Astana have no preparation that is not a problem, they can’t be a threat, and it would be see rapidly, their riders would have difficulties especially that year where every leader needed to fight to be in front of peloton to avoid crash. When a GT begin with 7 flat stages, it’s possible to raise your form day after day. This year that was extremely difficult.

The JB’s statement was not for DS but for PR. That was a very bad PR, more a manipulation of public.

William Schart June 3, 2008 at 5:39 am

Tom:

CAS could possibly find in Landis’ favor, but it is not possible for them to do so in a way that will prove his innocence. If he is cleared, many people will say he won on a “technicality” and/or that, even if he didn’t use testosterone, he probably was using EPO or the like, just hadn’t been caught for that.

Even if LNDD was to admit they screwed up, I think that a lot of Floyd bashers would still hold to the “he used something else” theory.

The sad fact is that, after both the scientific aspects as well as the legal aspects of the Landis tests have been thoroughly dissected on various blogs, etc., there has been no firm conclusion as to whether or not those tests are scientifically and legally sufficient to support the original arbitration decision. I suspect that, whatever the CAS decision, one side or the other will think they got it wrong.

Jean:

There are plenty of website and blogs with views similar to yours regarding Landis. Here in the US, the press largely assumes he is guilty and it is common to refer to him in other doping-related stories as an example of doping.

Rant June 3, 2008 at 7:37 am

Tom,
I’m afraid William is right, the most likely result if the CAS finds in Landis’ favor won’t be a total declaration of innocence, but a “not guilty by reason of …” verdict. While it would be nice to see Floyd totally vindicated, I don’t think the current system is set up in such a way that that’s going to happen.
Jean,
It could well be that Bruyneel’s comments were meant more for public relations purposes than to psych out other teams. That kind of mental game won’t work for a weeks-long Grand Tour, or not for long, anyway. A team that’s strong will eventually show their strengths, and it will no longer be a surprise. But for the fans and sponsors, lowering expectations ensures that no matter the result, the team comes out looking good. True, it can be seen as deceptive, but often PR is used (over here) for just such purposes. The political realm on this side of the pond is a place where certain people have elevated diminishing expectations into an art form.
As for the odds increasing by the day that Landis did dope, I don’t agree. The real odds on what he did or didn’t do are about the same. The perception — by the fans and the general public and even sports insiders — however, is another matter. On that count, I can see that with more and more stories about doping it would be easier and easier for people to believe that he did dope. I don’t know what the majority opinion is among those who actually race at his level. Most riders have been quite silent on the subject, which can be interpreted in several different ways.

Thomas A. Fine June 3, 2008 at 8:53 am

Take it easy everybody. Did y’all notice that I started that with “Suppose, if by some miracle”…

I agree that any victory will most likely be seen as on a “technicality”.

On the other hand, I admit to holding out hope. Granted, in literal logical terms, you can’t prove a negative, so it is literally impossible to prove that Floyd didn’t dope. But evidence could be presented that provides a full explanation of his test results in the absence of doping. It’s still within the realm of possibility to “prove” to the general public that he didn’t dope. It would just take a… miracle.

Of course, I still think he’s more likely innocent than guilty. So for me the purpose of that exercise is to review all the shit that’s been blamed on Floyd, and to look for other parties to blame. Because the shit happened regardless of whether or not he doped.

It’s all very existential – a lot of people “know” that he doped, they’re “sure”. But they don’t know and they’re not sure. They have an emotional reaction, and that turns into a deeply-held belief regardless of truth. Each person has their own view of reality. For my part, I also “believe”, but I’ve never let myself lose sight of the fact that Floyd could be guilty. It’s not even some miniscule little chance, it’s a big chance. I just wish that those who believe he’s guilty hadn’t lost sight of the fact that there’s a chance that he’s innocent. Things would have been handled very differently.

Which gets me to the ultimate point. The blame for all things that were blamed on Floyd – those things are decisions that other people made after Floyd’s problem. The people that made those decisions are the ones responsible for them.

To me, whether Floyd is guilty or not, whether Astana is dirty or not, whether the French are really the cleanest (or not) — ASO is still the kid who’s threatening to take his ball and go home. ASO is making this mess for itself, and it’s crap to pretend like they had no choice because of all the doping. And when the reputation of the TdF plummets like a drowning rock, that’s not Floyd’s fault even if he did dope.

One thing you can be sure of – unless by some miracle French riders fill the podium, this years tour will have even more doping news than ever.

tom

Rant June 3, 2008 at 9:07 am

Tom,
I did notice the “by some miracle.” Your point about the stuff that’s been heaped on Floyd’s shoulders is a good one. Sinkewitz decided to dope on his own, so did Moreni, so did Jaksche, Vinokourov, and so on. It’s not like Floyd held a gun to their heads and said, “Dope!” OK, maybe a DS on some of the teams said, “Dope or be fired.” But even if that’s the case, then Floyd isn’t to blame for that, is he?
There’s a lot that’s being pushed off on others, for various reasons. Floyd is one of the unlucky people to catch a lot of the blame for nothing he had control over.
Now, all that said, it’s not entirely impossible that the CAS could issue a decision that says “completely innocent.” They came close in Jeff Adams’ case, after all. No idea when the Landis decision will come, but I’m sure we’ll all be dissecting it closely once it does.
I suspect that if this year’s Tour is cleaner than last, the wrong people will be taking the credit for making that happen. The war between the ASO and the UCI is probably going to continue for some time to come. The UCI’s biggest error, in my opinion, was the whole misbegotten idea called the ProTour. Good idea, perhaps, but lousy execution. The way they tried to implement it set a lot of the groundwork for the current conflict between the two organizations.
One thing that’s never been explained very well is this: What, exactly, does the UCI use all the money they take in for the ProTour team licenses for?

Ken June 3, 2008 at 10:14 am

“What, exactly, does the UCI use all the money they take in for the ProTour team licenses for?”

Beer, sex, drugs. Who knows.

I kinda liked the idea of a pro tour, but agree that they way it was implemented and handled wasn’t very good.

Rant June 3, 2008 at 10:47 am

Ken,
Just so it’s clear, I actually think that properly done, the ProTour could be a very good thing. Unfortunately, the people who put it together bollixed things up pretty badly.

Michael June 3, 2008 at 3:45 pm

Tom,

Amen

the Dragon June 3, 2008 at 7:16 pm

Jean C. said:”Tom,

Stop dreaming.

Since the begining of Landis’case, day after day, the odds that Floyd had doped increased. Everyone involved in sport has understood that. A lot of people are thinking it’s easy to avoid to beat the test and to dope.

Even if there is a fault in the procedures, most of people are very convinced that Floyd doped. ”

Jean, you are welcome to your opinion.

Interesting, that Mr. Mclaren was found in the Canadian para-athlete case to be the “corrupt” fool that he has consistantly shown, yes the CAS was gentle in their words, yet in their way, they said NO REASONABLE ABRITRATOR could have found as he did. Ditto…Ms. Ayotte (she of…since the athletes have lawyers…”WE MUST CHEAT” fame), who tesitfied that there was no scientific way that a positive test could come as the athlete said. Again, she was gently proved a fraud. Where have we seen these characters before?

So there is Zero Tollerance for athletes. Strict liability, fine. Yet, McLaren and Ayotte should be banned, Strict liability requires it. LNDD, well they are a multiple time offender. Where is a strict liablilty penalty there. Oops…I forgot, Athletes cheat so we are within our rights to frame them.

Jean, you are welcome to believe anything you want. ET was real. Indiana Jones is alive and well.

Over a year ago, I had an e-mail exchange with Travis Tygert. He asked me to keep an open mind. For over a year I have waited for just one ethical action by USADA so I could respond. Mr. Tygert LIED to me personally, yet I now know that that is modus operendi of this crowd.

You are correct that cheating athletes (aka criminals) should be held to account. Unlike your argument, corrupt prosecutors MUST be held to a higher account (it would be nice If you could accept that concept as well). It is a sad comment when FRAUDA WORLD could add Mike Nifong as their Ethics and Integrity Administrator, and that appointment would be a significant upgrade.

When I was young there was a saying “Cheaters NEVER win” well FRAUDA WORLD is the exception which proves that rule.

Regards,

ps: I just noticed your comment that as time goes by the odds that Floyd doped increases. I wonder why? Until, REAL scientists and Labs get a chance to deconstruct the fraud, your perception will be correct. BUT, the original sample and inconvienient evidence is already destroyed. You’ve got your wish.

Morgan Hunter June 4, 2008 at 2:29 am

I second that Dragon – Amen!

Jean C June 4, 2008 at 3:56 am

Dragon,

My perception of Landis’ doping is not irreal, I can add that I don’t need the results of testing to have enough certainty of that.

That is based by comparaison… and so,
That is based on how EPO and PED affect the performance and power,
That is based on a bonk followed by an extraordinary recovry which is impossible in sport… the only case for which it’s is a bonk resulting of a lack of food! Landis himself said it wasn’t that case.
That is based on my knowledge of sports,
That is based on my experience of a former world athletes, and to have share a part of my live with other top athletes,…

So I am not surprise by his positive test and his blood values… all clues and facts already indicates doping before his testing.

Why the odds of Landis’ doping increases day after day?
Just because constantly we learn more doping cases in cycling and sport, how they dope, how they lies, how GREAT are their effects, …
On Paris-Nice and even on Giro we have seen that riders performance were clearly weaker than precedent years!

ALL OF THAT indicate clearly that a normal athlete can not be successfull against that kind of dopers.

A corrupted WADA will not change my mind about Landis, as on many athletes and riders.
Best regards.

the Dragon June 4, 2008 at 6:19 am

Jean C,

I do apologize for going off on you.

You have every right to your opinion, and as you state, you are perfectly happy to convict without evidence and just suspicion.

There is an interesting thing happening in Baseball. Not yet coming to a focus, YET we may have somewhat cleaned up baseball, and look at ALL the niggly hamstring, quad and other muscle injuries. Will the fans over time accept a crappy product where injury/disabled lists include half of the team? Only time will tell. Maybe a more sensible approach to what is performance enhancing versus medicine.

When I was young “1984” was a surrealistic Big Brother scenario, NOW years later, maybe “Big Brother” is here and I MUST BE HAPPY.

Regards,

Jean C June 5, 2008 at 1:40 am

From an interesting article from the famous Mickael Jonhson:
http://minilien.com/?PibKQ6WHUK

That is only his first step.

Rant June 5, 2008 at 7:44 am

Jean,
Interesting article, to be sure. Not wanting to assume what you meant, I’d be curious as to what you think Johnson’s next step should be.

Jean C June 5, 2008 at 11:25 am

Rant,

As a lot of top athletes, Mickael Jonhson knows more than he has said but it’s not easy to say the whole truth, especially when his own performances are on the grill.
But for this step, he must be respected, he could have walked away.
It’s refreshing to see a lot of top-athletes adopting that posture with doping problem,
the systematic denial in front of a lot of evidence is yet not possible without loosing all credibility and the confidence of friends, family.

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