What If It Wasn’t Floyd?

by Rant on March 14, 2007 · 13 comments

in Doping in Sports, Floyd Landis, Tour de France

Dr. Arnie Baker said something over the weekend that has me thinking about who really tested positive at the Tour. What he said was this: One of the numbers in the lab documentation pack, which was similar to Floyd’s but not the same number, actually belonged to a rider who was tested after Stage 19. A different rider. And now, over at Steroid Nation, we can see a copy of a slide from a recent presentation by Dr. Baker (also displayed below) that shows that, yes, there was another rider whose sample number from Stage 19 (995475) differs only slightly from Landis’ sample number on Stage 17 (995474).

And further, Dr. Baker tells me the time period during which the samples from the two stages were tested overlaps. Leading to the very real possibility that some of the data from another rider’s tests could be mixed in with Landis’ data. In other words, it may not be so crystal clear whose test came up with the suspicious readings that LNDD claims shows the use of artificial testosterone.

Up to now many have assumed that the sample number 995475 shown in Landis’ lab documentation package was a typo and that it was really Floyd’s result. But this new twist suggests that this may not just be a typo, but rather data from another rider, from another stage that was incorrectly reported in Landis’ results. As you can see on Dr. Baker’s slide (shown below), Landis’ sample number on Stage 19 was labeled 994080. It now appears that because of some mistake, these results from Stage 19 may have gotten mixed up with Floyd’s data from Stage 17.

Slide from Dr. Arnie Baker's slide show

While it’s still possible that someone may have been doping with testosterone and tested positive at the 2006 Tour de France, this new revelation draws into question who that someone might be.

This shines a whole new light on the case. And it begs the question: Could it be that the biggest screw-up at LNDD didn’t have anything to do with laboratory technique, that it had to do with record keeping — as in: keeping track of who’s sample belonged to who?

If you go back and look at the so-called “whistleblower” documents, you’ll find that LNDD over the years has made a number of these kinds of mistakes. And in those instances, they’ve had to retract their conclusions about the tests performed. Although the authenticity of the letterhead the whistleblower documents were printed on has been drawn into question, no one — not even the head of LNDD — has denied the authenticity of the information, itself. In fact, what I’m hearing is that Dr. de Ceuarriz has grudgingly admitted that the information in the whistleblower documents is accurate. So it’s not too far-fetched to imagine that another bookkeeping error occurred in the Landis case. Will LNDD have to retract their findings for Landis, too?

From the time that the lab documentation pack became public, one question that I’ve had was whether or not riders had the same lab ID number throughout the race. That might make sense from an expediency point of view. But it didn’t make sense in terms of guaranteeing anonymity. After a while, if the same number kept turning up for analysis, someone could figure out who the rider was, and if he or she were so inclined, spike the sample. That’s a prospect that chills my soul.

So it makes more sense if the riders are given a new number with each sample they provide. That is a greater guarantee that the rider’s identity will be unknown to lab personnel. And from what we can see in this new slide, the number assigned to Landis’ sample after Stage 19 was not the same as from Stage 17. It was an entirely different number. So his anonymity could have been kept. But there was one other item that could give away who he is, and that was his therapeutic use exemption for using cortisone, due to his (formerly) bad hip.

How could the system give out two numbers that were so close? That gives me pause, as it’s a very predictable source of confusion in record keeping. All it takes is someone incorrectly recording for sample 995474 where data for 995475 should go, or vice versa, for data to become mingled together that shouldn’t be. And that’s what now appears to be likely.

If that did happen, it draws into question the integrity of all of the data. While that may sound like a getting off on a technicality, it’s a huge “technicality.” If you can’t be sure where the data came from — what tests, what person, what date — then you can’t draw any conclusions based on that data. Period. So as James at Steroid Nation says, the onus may now be falling on LNDD to prove that the data from the lab documentation pack attributed to sample number 995475 is, in fact, Landis’ data and not that of another rider.

Will that be a hurdle they can jump over? It’s hard to say. On the other hand, it may be yet another nail in the coffin for the anti-doping case against Floyd Landis. Time will tell.

trust but verify March 14, 2007 at 9:20 pm

That would certainly put a whole new light on the observation that Landis’s TUE-ed cortisone was nowhere to be found in the “S-17” tests, wouldn’t it?

TBV

pommi March 14, 2007 at 10:27 pm

The top 3 finishers from stage 19, a TT:
1. HONCHAR (UKR, TMO) 01:07:45:810
2. KLÖDEN (GER, TMO) at 40″
3. LANDIS (USA, PHO) at 1’10”
If Landis is 994080, how likely is it that 995475 is Kloeden or Honchar ? Let me assume that not only the top 3 finishers are asked for a urine sample.

ORG March 15, 2007 at 2:38 am

Yellow jersey, stage winner and a random rider are the three test.

So, it would be Landis, Honchar and a random rider.

Mike Byrd March 15, 2007 at 4:16 am

Hmmm…Maybe this is why the head of the USADA and Catlin are jumping ship…

Is this why the UCI is starting their own doping program?

I’m starting to believe Floyd wants the hearing to be public and everyone to see that he is, in fact, innocent. It’s the only way he proves his innocence to everyone.

Mike Byrd March 15, 2007 at 4:19 am

PS Which documents were modified? The document from the USADA or LNDD, and where does the doc from the AFLD come into play? Can we determine when the changes were made to the modified document (in other words, the ‘corrected’ document that was corrected without following proper white out and notation procedures?)

Rant March 15, 2007 at 5:30 am

Mike,

If I followed things correctly on Saturday, some of the documents from the AFLD proceedings show changes after the fact. Changes that don’t fully follow ISO procedures (no date or initials of the person who made the changes). Such as changes to sample identification numbers that had already been released in the “original” documents supplied by USADA. Since the AFLD documents, which are also supposed to be “original” documents differ, at least in that respect, one has to wonder which is the original and which isn’t.
The changes in the AFLD documentation were attributed to information that the other side had gleaned from the discussions once Floyd’s side had put the documents out in public and some errors in sample identification were noticed and commented upon.
– Rant

Paul March 15, 2007 at 7:41 am

It is obvious this has been a set up from the start. They were out to get Landis. No cortisone in what was supposedly his stage 17 sample should have sent alarm bells ringing from the get go. Wonder who it really was revving up their “Harley”.

Thomas A. Fine March 15, 2007 at 7:55 am

I thought up a great line that I used on DPF, that I think Floyd should start using in one form or another.

How would you feel if a hospital told you that they’re going to amputate your leg, based on a test that was PROBABLY your sample?

Would you say go ahead, because any confusion about the samples is a mere technicality?

tom

Velogal March 15, 2007 at 8:14 am

If The Piss Don’t Fit, You Must Acquit…
Keep up the good work, Rant.

Rant March 15, 2007 at 12:31 pm

Tom,

I saw that when I was reading one of the discussions. It’s an excellent line. Floyd should definitely use it. That really gets the point across.

Velogal,
Thanks. Most appreciated.

Yol March 16, 2007 at 2:46 pm

Over the course of this whole ordeal, I’m very glad that Floyd never vociferously denied any possibility that the sample might be his. Had he done so, this new information [and its potential confirmation of such claims that the samples are in fact not his] would have been deemed “convenient” by the press; a lesser vindication along the lines of “technicality” [a media favorite].

By focusing on the process rather than the results, he exposed even more questions, since answers have proven “elusive”. The longer his questions go unanswered, the more we find reasonable doubt.

I hope the LNDD’s archaic computers can access Monster dot com.

neil March 19, 2007 at 1:54 am

OK, OK, but the latest installment in the “Lloyd Flanders is Innocent” saga is just so much smoke and mirrors. Now they’re trying to suggest the sample wasn’t his. Fine, just one small problem there. Roll the tape right back to the beginning, to the bit when the results of the test were first made public.
Flanders was questioned about the presence of drugs in the sample for combatting a thyroid condition (hypothyroidism) (which have the side-effect of raising testosterone production, its secretion and elevating the metabolic rate of the patient). Flanders claimed that the presence of the drug was covered by a certificate – claiming he indeed had a thyroid condition that he was being treated for. So, inadvertently, he claimed ownership of the sample! Now, we’re being taken down a blind alley by a defense that first tries to say “‘yes, the sample is mine, but there’s a pefectly good explanation for the performance-enhancing drugs found there”; later they claim that he has naturally high testosterone only for it to be shown that the testosterone comes from a synthetic source; now the claim is “it wasn’t my sample, I never did it, honest!”

Expect the “phantom twin” to make an appearance any day now…

Rant March 19, 2007 at 6:44 am

Neil,

I’m not sure how closely you’re following the Landis case, but there’s a wealth of information to be found at Trust But Verify (http://trustbut.blogspot.com). What Landis is reported to have said in the beginning was often taken out of context by the media. Remember that at the time the story broke, he did not have all of the information from the lab, so there was much he and his side did not know about the accusations against him. And among the things that came out is that his actual testosterone levels were in the low normal range. It was the epitestosterone that was low. But the biggest source of argument, from what I’ve seen, has been whether the IRMS test even found synthetic testosterone. The data from that test is problematic, and there’s evidence that the testing equipment may have been operated so improperly that the data is meaningless. Anyway, give TBV a look, if you haven’t already. You’ll find more than you ever wanted to know about the Landis case there. And I guarantee that much of what you’ll find hasn’t been talked about in the mainstream media.

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