Champions Past and Present

by Rant on July 27, 2009 · 24 comments

in Alberto Contador, Lance Armstrong, Tour de France

“My relationship with Lance is zero,” [Alberto] Contador said at a news conference, one day after winning his second Tour. “He is a great rider and has completed a great race, but it is another thing on a personal level, where I have never had great admiration for him and I never will.”

Alberto Contador, quoted in The New York Times

Seeing these comments from AC. If I were him I’d drop this drivel and start thanking his team. w/o them, he doesn’t win.

hey pistolero, there is no “i” in “team”. what did i say in March? Lots to learn. Restated.

Lance Armstrong, on Twitter

Not much more than 24 hours after the 2009 edition of the Tour de France came to a close, two champions of the race (and teammates, after a fashion) — current champion Alberto Contador and seven-time winner Lance Armstrong — are already engaging in a war of words.

I have to say, this is not exactly the kind of conduct from either rider that I’d expect from a true champion. Armstrong has made some comments in the press about how strong Contador is, and given the younger rider credit for being the best. But he might be better served to not react to Contador’s comments.

And, on the other side, Contador would probably better serve his own cause by playing it calm and cool and professional. Granted, he’s made a statement generically thanking everyone who helped him win. And perhaps he’s even said so in private. In public, he should just be saying nice things about his teammates — even Armstrong. Downplay the internal strife. It serves no purpose to air that dirty laundry and stir things up. Especially not with a year before the 2010 race begins.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that I think when it comes to the psychological warfare, Armstrong is more experienced and more skillful. Rather than fight on that front, Contador should focus on the business of riding and racing, and letting his anger at whoever he’s angry at go — until he needs to motivate himself to victory.

It’s not as if cycling fans don’t realize there’s been some tension between the two. Contador, being the young ambitious buck that he is, expected to be the team leader in 2009. And no doubt he expected a team to be built around him for this year’s Tour. Given his results last year, he’d earned that priviledge.

With one announcement, the unretirement of the winningest Tour champion in history and said champion’s signing up to race for Team Astana, Contador’s dreams for 2009 were shattered. Sort of. Contador is still a dominating stage racer, and he’s got time on his side. He’s eleven years younger than the man who was his rival. And Lance was an unknown last summer. Would he even be in good enough condition to be a factor in the 2009 Tour? (Contador had plenty to fear in that regard, as Lance’s performance this year bore out. Coming back after that long a layoff and placing third is no small feat.)

Of course, Armstrong’s history with the team’s directeur sportif might have also given Contador pause. Johan Bruyneel, after all, guided Lance to all those wins. And if Lance were in reasonable shape, one can hardly blame the Spanish rider for wondering where his DS’s loyalty would reside. The past champion or the present?

Exactly what was said during the team’s strategy sessions, the scenarios Bruyneel sketched out and how he wanted the riders to race, we’ll probably never know. Exactly what was said after races, we won’t be privy to. But we’ve had hints for the last three weeks that things were not all sweetness and light in Team Astana-land. Contador, to his credit, played it pretty cool. Armstrong tried to do the same, but little jabs slipped out on occasion.

We’ve had glimpses of the strain. Both Levi Leipheimer and Lance Armstrong spoke of fireworks behind closed doors, but said little else, other than some things done by this year’s champion were not according to the DS’s plans.

Given the verbal darts these two are now throwing at each other, can you imagine what things must have been like behind the scenes?

“On this Tour, the days in the hotel were harder than those on the road,” Contador said. “The situation was tense and delicate because the relationship between myself and Lance extended to the rest of the staff.”

Tense, indeed. Contador not only had to play out the chess game between Astana and the other teams (the Schleck brothers of Saxo Bank, Bradley Wiggins of Garmin-Slipstream, and others), he also had to match wits with his own erstwhile teammate, Armstrong. The mental game was perhaps the toughest of all.

In winning, Contador proved that he could pull off a Tour win, despite a team that may have been fractured on the inside, and despite his suspicions about who the DS really wanted to win the race. Not any easy task, by any stretch of the imagination. From my perspective, I thought Bruyneel would have been happy with either result, but he was playing the “who’s the leader” game more to confuse Astana’s opponents than to cause strife internally. Bruyneel probably should have let his two biggest guns in on the plan, if he was just trying to mix up the other teams.

Maybe I’m a bit old-fashioned, but it seems to me that a true champion should try to keep himself above the fray, and try not to engage in the kind of jousting that Contador and Armstrong seem to be caught in.

A champion is also measured on how much he respect his teammates and opponents. You can win a race on your own not a grand tour.

Axel Merckx, son of five-time Tour champion Eddy, on Twitter.

That’s good advice for champions past and present. One of these two should let go of the argument. I understand that there are some hurt feelings, but at some point someone ought to be the bigger man and walk away from the pettiness. The question is, will either one do so? Or will these two proud champions be going at each other until the 2010 Tour begins in Rotterdam next July?

I see the seeds of a generational conflict here. And a great rivalry, too. Although I think that the rivalry between Andy Schleck and Alberto Contador will last longer and — if Schleck lives up to his potential — be one for the ages. The 2010 Tour is going to be very interesting, indeed. Who knows? With these two characters focusing on each other, perhaps Bradley Wiggins or Andy Schleck will sneak up — unexpected — and steal the victory. It could happen. And we only have 11 months and one week, or so, to wait until it all begins again.

strbuk July 27, 2009 at 9:48 pm

I have a feeling that AC is not at the top of the brainiac list, just my opinion.

Hey friend three years ago today the sh** hit Floyd’s fan and TBV, Rant, and countless other worthy blogs started their “pro Landis” or “anti Landis” runs. Funny how time flies, huh?

str

Rant July 27, 2009 at 9:55 pm

It sure does. Three years ago, I started ranting and raving (my saint of a wife got to hear the original rants) about how Floyd’s story was being covered. And a couple of weeks later, RYHO joined the blogging fray.

Pommi July 27, 2009 at 10:57 pm

So what’s up with Floyd ? Finished 113th in the Cascade Cycling Classic … sounds like past prime time.

TBV July 27, 2009 at 11:03 pm

Landis was sick at Cascades — laryngitis was one symptom. He can’t buy a break so far this year.

Larry July 27, 2009 at 11:20 pm

Rant, I am on the road and cannot do it easily, but you should cite Bonnie Ford’s latest. The battle here is about 2010 even if AC doesn’t realize it. LA has a new team to recruit. AC is now teamless and DS-less, though that shouldn’t last long.

If LA cannot out-race AC at this stage in LA’s career, look for him to find someone who can.

Jean C July 28, 2009 at 3:28 am

About that feud, Spanish press is reporting that Contador was left alone in the hotel prior of Annecy ITT. A driver and a car were dedicated to Contador who was the latter to start but Armstrong send the driver to airport for transportation of his families and friends.
We know now why Contador was very happy to win that race.

strbuk July 28, 2009 at 7:14 am

I suspect the Spanish press may be a bit prejudiced.

strbuk July 28, 2009 at 7:15 am

TBV, must be all that tweeting and drinking 🙂

P

Rant July 28, 2009 at 7:36 am

strbuk,
One should never tweet and type, eh? 😉
Jean,
I’ve seen a couple of comments elsewhere about that. If it’s true, the incident certainly doesn’t cast Armstrong in a very good light. Part of the mental chess game between the two, in a sense. But not a nice thing to do. I could see why Contador would be upset about something like that.
Larry,
For the benefit of others, here’s the link to Bonnie D. Ford’s story. The war of words is about next year, I suspect. I don’t know how well Contador can keep up such a battle — perhaps very well — but he’d be better off focusing on the business of bike racing and finding/building a new team, rather than focusing on Armstrong and whatever happened this year. Contador has many challengers to worry about next year, including Andy Schleck and Brad Wiggins, in addition to his soon-to-be former teammate.
Pommi/TBV,
Almost seems as though Floyd’s suffering from what some bluesman once said,

If it wasn’t for bad luck
I wouldn’t have no luck
If it wasn’t for real bad luck
I’d have no luck at all.
Born Under a Bad Sign

It would be nice to see Floyd’s luck turn. Maybe in the Tour of Utah or the Tour of Missouri he’ll fare better. I hope so.

R Wharton July 28, 2009 at 8:19 am

Can anyone tell me what it was that Contador said in the final 400m of the Ventoux stage? You can see him take his right hand off the bar and shake it at Armstrong, even while Armstrong is climbing up the steep inside turn. It was weird – was he yelling AT Armstrong? Was he yelling WITH Armstrong? Was he congratulating himself? I’m not sure.

Lance doesn’t need to win, to win. Alberto needs a better PR firm to TM the “Pistolero” and then set him up as a “Zero to Hero” type character, just like LA, except he needs to use the whole brain-surgery angle.

We flew back with Jim & Rhonda Hoyt, and Linda Armstrong. It was fun and entertaining.

We mustn’t count out Levi and Kloeden. They both have opportunities here, away from Contador, and it’s already setting next year up to be another Epic battle.

Rant July 28, 2009 at 9:48 am

Richard,
No idea what Alberto said. You’re right, Levi and Kloeden are contenders that Contador will have to deal with next year, unless he manages to sign them onto his team, whatever team that will be. Might get interesting as Team RadioShack and Team AC compete for riders, eh?

William Schart July 28, 2009 at 10:31 pm

Interesting. A few years ago, teams were folding, some were feared of pro cycling’s demise, now we have the potential for teams to be bidding for riders.

BannaOj July 29, 2009 at 9:01 am

Rant, I completely agree with all of your thoughts above. The behavior of both, has made me a Shlecklet fan.

Taran July 29, 2009 at 4:30 pm

http://www.todociclismo.com/noticia.asp?id=50711

Very rough Italian translation: Giovanni Lombardi, Andy Schleck’s agent basically says Andy saw what happened between AC and LA this year and in now way would he join Lance for next year.

This fits into earlier quotes from Andy which said that he doesn’t think Lance is on his (or Alberto’s) level.

I don’t know; maybe my most of my fellow Americans like strbuk here think Contador is losing some mind games here. That they are taking cues from Phil Liggett of all people. (Why the anti-Spanish press hostility?) Like this is really about 2010 because Lance will come back, as he says, stronger next year. Riiiight. The 2010 Tour might be a classic but Lance will not be challenging for the win. Just imagine Contador actually attacking Lance unlike this year.

Or maybe Rant you are now putting out a bar for being a True Champion so high that Contador could never reach it and choose to see Contador’s comments (badly translated in VeloNews) as something other than honest. After all since Lance isn’t truly competitive anymore that leaves just one rider who is challenging to be Champion here. Thus what you are doing here is going after Bert and only Bert. Why?

I would think the reference that Jean makes is enough to make a new post saying that maybe what Contador said is okay given what is coming out post-Tour. Or, I guess you could say that we don’t know if anything happened because Lance didn’t confirm it in a tweet so they both must be acting badly.

Lance has been badgering Alberto at least since Paris-Nice. That you downgrade Alberto for finally responding, is holding him up to the standards of sainthood.

BannaOj July 29, 2009 at 4:54 pm

Also, aren’t AC and LA still on the same team for a bit longer? I mean I guess Bryuneel will do what he can to keep them apart, and Vino is coming back for the Vuelta, but it would seem like more craziness could continue until the season is over.

Rant July 29, 2009 at 8:44 pm

Taran,
Thanks for the link. I’m not surprised that Andy Schleck would not want to be on LA’s team next year. As long as Armstrong is competing, there will be the possibility of the same kinds of things happening as happened between Contador and Armstrong this year. Andy Schleck is a genuine contender for next year’s race. If he were to leave his current team, I’d expect it to be for a team assembled around him. Not gonna happen at Team RadioShack for at least a few years. Probably not until Lance retires … again (and let’s hope he doesn’t pull a Brett Favre and keep messing around with “unretirement” the next time he chooses to hang up his wheels). Also, since Bjarne Riis is treating Schleck pretty good right now, why leave Saxo Bank at all? My guess is that both Schlecks are going to be on Saxo Bank for at least a few more years — if not longer. It wouldn’t surprise me if they both finish their careers at Saxo Bank. As long as Riis is able to keep his team going, that is.
As for mind games, I think Armstrong has been playing some on Contador for quite some time — at least since Paris-Nice, perhaps from earlier on. That Contador finally shot back is no surprise. But that doesn’t make the behavior of either one very becoming. On that count, however, Contador seems to be the one who was provoked. My own opinion is that Contador was right in taking the higher road by not responding for a long time, and he should have kept on taking that higher road. The best way to beat someone who’s trying to play mind games on you is to not let him know he’s getting to you.
I’m not going after only one of them, though. I think Contador was on the right path before and he should have stayed on that path. And I think that Armstrong doesn’t come across well in his comments, and judging by various reports, in his behavior. Your suggestion about another post is a good one. I’m kind of swamped right now, so by the time I wind up writing my next post, we’ll see if other stuff intervenes. (On the other hand, anyone who wants to write a guest post is always welcome to do so, and they can use the Contact page to reach me.)
It sounds like you know a bit of Spanish, or know someone who does. I saw this link from El Pais earlier today, but my knowledge of Spanish is minimal. The first sentence sounds like it might be referring to an article in an Italian periodical. I’d be interested in your thoughts on what’s in the El Pais article.
BannaOj,
The Vuelta will be interesting, indeed. Vino and Contador on the same team? Hmm. I wonder how that’s going to work out? (Then again, I wonder if Vino has the fitness to be a real factor in September.) Contador is certainly one of (if not the) strongest stage racers right now. Not sure if that could be said of Vinokourov after a couple of years away from competition. As for the Schlecks, I’m quite impressed with both. I’ll be curious to see how Andy Schleck develops over the next year. I think he’s got quite a future ahead of him. And I think we’ve got the potential classic battles between Contador and Schleck for some years to come.
From what I’ve heard, Lance will be focusing on other things over the coming months. I don’t think he’d be interested in doing the Vuelta, but imagine the craziness if it were Contador, Armstrong and Vino all on the team. That would be a truly cringe-worthy thing to watch, I suspect.
William,
It is quite a bit of turnaround in just a couple of years. Given how bad the economy has been, I’m surprised that new sponsors are even interested getting into the sport. But with two teams — RadioShack and Contador’s future employer — battling for the best riders for their leaders, it’s going to get very interesting to see who winds up where.

Cub July 30, 2009 at 12:01 pm

If you want to be a team leader, it’s probably not a good idea to insult the professionalism of your DS and teammates by repeatedly implying that they will let their friendships get in the way of what’s best for the team. Especially when that DS and many of those teammates have a history of giving you whatever support you need in past races.

I think that’s what set Lance off. He’s defending the team against Contador’s attack on their professionalism. Lance could have done it in a better way of course, but I have the feeling Contador is not really in to accepting constructive criticism.

I don’t think Contador is such a bad guy, but I do think he is self-absorbed, a little insecure, and lacking in empathy with the lesser riders on the team. He needs to change his attitude or his teammate troubles are going to follow him.

Just my opinion, which more often than not turns out to be wrong.

BannaOj July 30, 2009 at 2:43 pm

According to DPF, Contador isn’t going to be racing the Vuelta.

With the Lance/Contador team thing, I was also wondering about the post-Tour Criteriums that they have. Aren’t all of the podium placers in the Tour required to go to some of those?

Rant July 30, 2009 at 8:58 pm

BannaOj,
I don’t know if the podium placers are required to go to the post-Tour criteriums or not. Clearly Armstrong didn’t. He’s vacationing in the Bahamas right now, judging by his tweets. I think Contador has gone or is going to some of them. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Andy Schleck does, too.
I think it would be good for Contador to attend. No snark intended, but it might be a good opportunity to sound out other teams about next year. I’m sure that given his palmares, he’ll command quite a good salary, wherever he goes.

Larry July 30, 2009 at 11:48 pm

Don’t count out Andy (or Frank) Schleck riding with Lance next year … regardless of whatever he may have told the press to the contrary. If Andy wants a maillot jaune, he may decide that his best way to get there is via Lance (and Bryuneel). He has to take his game to a higher level to beat Contador — he can’t keep doing the same thing he’s done in past Tours and expect a better result.

Then there’s the money. Unless Andy is unusual, he’ll likely take the best offer that comes his way, and if it’s from Lance, then fit Andy for a Radio Shack kit.

At this point, Lance badly wants to beat Contador in the 2010 Tour, but if he can’t do it (and he probably can’t), next best thing is to put together the team that dethrones Contador. Yeah, Andy Schleck does not want to race for Lance if Lance is going to try and steal all the glory. But once Lance writes a big check to Andy, Lance will do all he can to get the most from his investment.

Rant July 31, 2009 at 6:09 am

Larry,
Good point. “Money talks … ” as the old saying goes. I’m sure that if Andy signs on board to Radio Shack, it will be because both Lance and Johan think he’s the guy who can beat Contador. If that comes to pass, I hope that Schleck’s agent gets a commitment in writing that the Luxembourger will be TRS’s Tour leader next year. I guess the real acid test in all this is whether Lance wants to assemble a team geared towards helping him win the Tour, or whether he wants to build a team geared toward winning the Tour with the best talent available.
Of course, I believe that the Schlecks are both under contract at Saxo Bank for at least another year, and whatever Bjarne Riis did between last year and this year in terms of training plans seems to have worked quite well. Perhaps Riis could still figure out how to get Schleck the overall win — especially with Contador on a team that isn’t being run by cycling’s grandmaster of strategy. The biggest questionmark of all is whether Lance can come back to the 2010 Tour stronger than this year. If he can, he’s going to want the win for himself, and that might spell trouble for any younger rising star on his new team.

Larry July 31, 2009 at 10:33 am
Rant July 31, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Thanks Larry. It was actually an out-of-competition test on June 26th that seems to be getting Mikel Astarloza in trouble. Of course, if the turnaround had been quicker, it would have been announced during the Tour and Astarloza would have been provisionally suspended then.
Still waiting for the first positive from a test taken during the Tour, though. 😉

TBV August 1, 2009 at 10:43 am

The post tour crits aren’t mandatory, but they are highly incented by big appearance fees and prize money for results that some might say are “fixed”, but are actually a “show of respect” for the new kings.

Don’t know if Landis ever got the $60k he thought he was going to get for the one he did go to, which was the first crit he’d ever “won”.

With Armstrong not needing the money, I can see him skipping, while Contador can probably appreciate the cash and the adulation.

TBV

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